msbpodcast

View
 

msb-0371 Further Complex Musings

Page history last edited by Charles-A. Rovira 5 mos ago

 

 

 

Episode Sponsor's banner (This could be YOU!)

MSBPodcast Shows

 

Episode Name msb-0371 Further Complex Musings

 

Direct Link to episode -> http://media.libsyn.com/media/msb/msb-0371_Further_Complex_Musings.m4a

 

YouTube Vids

 

"Teach me" by: "Magdalena Konefal"

. .

 

Intro

 


Disclaimer! Disclaimer! Disclaimer!

 


Survey

 


FeedBack comes first, so...

 

The YouTube video at the front of this episode comes to you from Sweden courtesy of Una Prosell and I think I'm going to let her suggest some videos from now on.

----

Some days are better than others. :-)

Monday was a good one.

You should all download WFMU's "The Media Squat" with Douglas Rushkoff [ http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=309882144 ].

Dang, he's got good delivery and a good message.

Oh and I got acknowledged at 1:00:36 of "The Media Squat"

---- "Lost Civilization" by:"satya" http://music.download.com/satya

 


FeedForward

 

This rightfully belongs in the Feed Forward segment.

I am starting to expand msbpodcast.com into an actual web radio station.

Starting in January 2010, msbpodcast will have an interactive component which will be called MS Web Radio [ http;//www.MSWebRadio.com ]

Right now its not operative and its only a repeater to bring people to the msbpodcast.com site but I'm going to retool the web site to handle the web radio component.

It will also be podcast so if you don't get to it, it will still be available after the airing.

MS Web Radio will be held for a half an hour every Sunday afternoon at 3PM (15:00) my time.

I will be taking my definitely, uh, unusual show and opening it up to everybody.

I'll keep you posted on my progress as it happens.

----

And now I want to mention Chris Sheridan of MS with no fear [ www.mswithnofear.com ] again as he's got some helpful thoughts [ http://www.hypnosisdownloads.com/cat/depression-treatment.html?3690 ] on depression and MS.

I think having MS is depressing enough, thank you veddy much, and can empathize with people who suffer from depression because of their MS.

Like Chris, I avoid taking medication and after watching my father work for a pharmaceutical firm for years and years, I got an exposure that has definitely left me with a jaundiced view of anything without measurable causality.

The link is for a self-hypnosis e-book course. At nearly $100, its rather pricy so make sure its right for you, but if it is, buy it.

[Stage whisper: And tell me if you got anything from the course. I'll feature "you" as well. ]

---- "Classical Civilizations" by:"Ben Base" http://www.myspace.com/benbase

 


FeedMe 

 

I now have TWO sponsors.

I told you, way back when, getting the first one was the toughest.

Now I have two and it didn't take another three years and several thousands more dollars of spending on my part.

The links are synchronized with the messages on the m4a right now.

It you're listening on this through iTunes or through a web browser, just click on the image for the sponsor and I'll take you right to the appropriate web page.

If you're on an iPhone or an iPod touch, you should be good to go too.

----

The first sponsor, you should be all familiar with and maybe even have bought some t-shirts.[ http://www.artoshirt.net/servlet/the-MS-Artists/Categories ]

I'm still in love with my T-Shirts,

There is one called "At the Back" by Karolina Wojdak [ http://www.artoshirt.net/servlet/the-370/MS/Detail ] which is beautiful in a deeply intriguing way. I am always fascinated by the way artists perceive the world.

They see the same thing we mere mortals do but they seem to take away a very different mental image from the same landscape my ultra- or magic-realist eyes merely sees.

I would try to out texture a fractal. That's why I'm glad to be involved in audio. (Although back when Wendy was Walter, I played with the shapes of sound waves and how that affected our auditory perception.)

I hope you folks out there are buying these because I'm not going to be outside much to look at them once the heat hits.

----

I received the CADDi in the mail, and, after trying it out, I feel that I can honestly recommend the CADDi by BARBCO. [ http://barbco.biz ]

The picture of the CADDi in use sort of says it all.

BarbCo is very generously giving a dollar of  off  every order they process to a bunch of causes and YOU select the cause.

[ http://barbco.biz/MultipleSclerosis.htm ]

I'm talking with her, well we're Twittering and emailing back and forth, about having promo code for MSers.

The CADDI is for non MSers but it ought to be for us too.

---- "Civil Revolt Part 1" by:"Kou Chou Ching" http://www.myspace.com/koucc

 


Thesis:

 

Well, that shows you that rap is a sentiment and an attitude, that's not tied to a specific culture. We have Chinese rappers.

We're back to  "The Collapse of Complex Societies" by "Joseph A. Tainter (ISBN: 978-0-521-38673-9 ) [ http://www.gettextbooks.com/search/?isbn=978-0-521-38673-9 ]

Its such a rich, rich vein to mine.

The beauty of reading about the causes of failure of civilizations means that we can avoid their old mistakes, and have to find new ones instead.

But as long as cupidity is married to stupidity, the search "will" continue.

Its the same kind of behavior and reasoning that strikes anyone confronted with a sign saying "Don't Touch This!"

Any maintenance person can tell you that the worst place for fingerprints and around "Wet Paint" signs.

---- "educated" by:"citizeN" http://msbpodcast.pbworks.com/MissingArtistPage

 


Synthesis:

 

 Its a damnable human foible to rationalize an explanation, and if it sounds in any way plausible, to stop the investigation right there.

While that might sound sensible, people also believed that the earth was flat just because Aristotle had said so.

Always consider the source. Does it have any credibility in the area?(I wouldn't trust Aristotle to give me any astronomy lessons any more than I would trust a Korowai native to teach me about cooking. [Look it up. Wikipedia is a fount of knowledge.] )

He also thought that insects arose spontaneously from mud. I don't think even the most ardent creationist can believe that.

So what makes a Complex Society Collapse?

What gives rise to a complex society in the first place?

The part of all this that gives me hope is that the introduction of the internet gives rise to a mechanism for handling complexity so utterly breath taking that it has led to the utter collapse:

• of newspapers, while leaving people vastly more informed than before and able to find information to further their own education,

• of the RIAA, while freeing the artists of the oligopolistic model of music and sound production and consumption,

* of the mystico-econo-political structures of religion,

• of the out dated modes of production and consumption as we have witnessed in the collapse of the real estate and durable goods,

• of the off-shoring and out-sourcing of labor both for physical goods and for skilled labor.

Of course its not all skittles and beer you know. We have seen various non-states, such as criminal organizations, terrorist networks and other nefarious no-goodniks, take full advantage of the information flows possible since 1995 with the introduction of the web. They were much quicker to see the potential of the internet than the rest of the legit world.

Now I just have to survive while everything is up in a heaval.

The book was a great thought provoking read.

---- "Soul Education Feat. TearS" by:"The Lyrical Prophet" http://myspace.com/thelyricalprophet

 


Conclusion:

 

Anybody who says anything to me is likely to find me very skeptical.

I don't need to know the details (okay, I LOVE to know the details, all the details, all of the little niggling "drive you nuts with the endless stream of questions" details,) but I am going to ask that person to run a "sanity check" on whatever idea they advance.

If they can't, then screw 'em, and their half-ased idea.

Bugs do NOT arise spontaneously from mud, okay Aristotle?

But we have seen complex civilizations rise and fall several times all over this continent within a single lifetime, mine, in the sixties.

Québec was so truly, deeply, completely and utterly transformed by "La Révolution Tranquille", the quiet revolution, that the death of the "old" agrarian Québec civilization and the birth of the "new"industrial Québec took place almost entirely while I I was still in grade school.

The 'States was also going through some major changes at the time too.

Everything from what we were to who we thought we were and our relationships to each other was dragged kicking and screaming into a new normal.

No we didn't all die and the world didn't come to an end for most people, but the change was total and complete.

I will get back to civilization, culture, politics and technology next episode for one last whack at this book.

---- "Uneducated Guess" by:"3rd Man" http://www.acmerecords.com/thirdman.php

 

Outro

 

Theme and 'incidental music' from:

"msb_theme",

 by: "Guy David",

 http://www.guydavid.com/

 no album,

 via personal contract

 

Video list:

"Teach me" by: "Magdalena Konefal" www.myspace.com/magdalenakonefal picked for me by Una Prosell

Song list:

 

"Lost Civilization"

 by:"satya"

 http://music.download.com/satya

 album: "none"

 via: music.podshow.com

"Classical Civilizations"

 by:"Ben Base"

 http://www.myspace.com/benbase

 album: "none"

 via: music.podshow.com

"Civil Revolt Part 1"

 by:"Kou Chou Ching"

 http://www.myspace.com/koucc

 album: "none"

 via: music.podshow.com

"educated"

 by:"citizeN"

 http://msbpodcast.pbworks.com/MissingArtistPage

 album: "none"

 via: music.podshow.com

"Soul Education Feat. TearS"

 by:"The Lyrical Prophet"

 http://myspace.com/thelyricalprophet

 album: "none"

 via: music.podshow.com

"Uneducated Guess"

 by:"3rd Man"

 http://www.acmerecords.com/thirdman.php

 album: "none"

 via: music.podshow.com

 


PhotoCredits:

 

 All images, synchronized with the songs, are of the artists and come via music.podshow.com except when they aren't. :-)

 


BookRecommendations

 


Links:

Comments (0)

You don't have permission to comment on this page.